Will Emmett Kelly EVER stop spinning in his grave? THE BAD MAN (The "Netflix" Connection #8 - Special Edition!)

December 6 - 10, 2018 

Holy crap! It's only 19 days until Christmas!
But I'm already digressing...

Holy crap! I was supposed to post this review on Sunday, December 2, and now it's Thursday, four days later [NOTE: Maybe even Monday, December 10th... and 15 shopping days left!] and I'm still working on the review..!
But, what else is new...

Welcome back to yet another episode of the so-called Netflix Connection! Originally, what I called (and, uh, only I refer to as) the "Netflix Connection" is a series of movie reviews that I wrote this year based on movies that I watched with horror bloggers, Mermaid Heather and Zombie Dawn. Unfortunately, we don't watch the movies all together in the same room (ooh... wouldn't that be cozy...) due to geographical circumstances (Hey! At least the internet is good for something, hahaha!). Usually we pick a film showing on Netflix (hence and etc.), but this time Heather had the inspired idea to suggest a film that was being made by filmmaker Scott Schirmer who had a Kickstarter campaign going on at the time for his latest horror feature, THE BAD MAN. So we three horror film musketeers agreed to contribute to the campaign and watch the film when it was released. And it has been and here we are! Yay!
Now, Heather's choice of THE BAD MAN wasn't arbitrary. It features Ellie Church, who's been in a number of low-budget independent films since she became an actress around 2013. In the last five years she's racked up 24 acting credits (so far), according to IMDb. Heather has me beat in how many Ellie Church films she's seen, although I can still say I've seen MANIA and Heather still hasn't. With Heather's assistance (because she's awesome!) and also on my own, I've managed to accumulate a decent collection of those films on DVD or Blu-ray: TIME TO KILL, HEADLESS, HARVEST LAKE, FRANKENSTEIN CREATED BIKERS, PITFIRE OF HELL, PLANK FACE, SPACE BABES FROM OUTER SPACE, DEAD BODIES IN #223, and now, THE BAD MAN.
However, besides our fascination/unhealthy obsession with Ellie Church, THE BAD MAN also re-connects us with the filmmakers behind HEADLESS which I not only have the DVD for, but I also saw it (!) AND wrote a review (!!). I'm telling you, the universe is sometimes crazy and unpredictable.
Anyway, enough bla bla bla... on to THIS review, shall we?

THE BAD MAN (2018, Written and directed by Scott Schirmer, with Ellie Church, Arthur Cullipher, Jason Crowe, and Dave Parker)

Mary (Ellie Church) and PJ (Jason Crowe) have inherited a bed and breakfast from Mary's grandmother, Ginny, who recently passed away. The couple have just arrived at the establishment to settle in, hoping to take a few days to re-group from the sad event and also to prepare for a new direction in their life. Also, they're looking forward to some time just being alone together. Unfortunately, those plans are going to be seriously derailed...
Only a few minutes after having arrived themselves, they hear a knock at the door. Puzzled, Mary says she cancelled all the reservations. They go to find a man waiting in the front hallway, Lawrence (Arthur Cullipher). Mary explains the circumstances of the death of the B&B's owner and that she tried to notify everyone that reservations for the weekend were cancelled. Lawrence didn't get the message but he totally understands the situation and he goes to leave, offering his condolences and asking if there's another hotel nearby.
He also mentions what a nice lady Ginny was and that catches Mary's attention. Because Lawrence knew Ginny from previous visits to the house, Mary has a change of heart and invites Lawrence to stay, especially since he's only staying overnight.
In private, PJ's understandably disappointed because he was looking forward to being alone with Mary, but Mary says the distraction is good for her.

Horribly, Mary's kind change of heart will be rewarded with a non-stop descent into hell.
Lawrence will kidnap, restrain and psychologically separate the couple. His ulterior motives for coming to the place is actually to transform the two lovers into "products" for a sick and perverse clientele who are in the market for sex slaves, with the customers having very specific agendas. Specifically, Lawrence aims to transform Mary into a "living doll" and to re-program PJ into being a "dog" to be used by a human master for whatever sick purposes. To top things off, Lawrence does all this in full clown make-up.

So, yes. The premise for this film is pretty sick and twisted.
Also, if you're a genuine fan of clowns because of the joy and good feelings they bring to children and the world in general, well, for god's sake, don't watch this movie.*

The primary cast for this film is Mary, PJ, Lawrence and, in a non-speaking role, Charlie, Lawrence's perpetually topless, muscled henchman whose face we never really see because he constantly wears a gas mask with the long tube dangling elephant-like, a visual that'e either obscene or comical or both simultaneously. Though, Charlie doesn't say a word throughout the film, his gas mask occasionally utters these terrible sounds approximating unfortunate associations with flatulence. On paper that sounds funny, but you usually hear these inappropriate and embarrassing noises when Charlie's mistreating PJ, so the whole effect is genuinely disturbing.

The bulk of the film is watching Lawrence's efforts to prepare his two products for sale, and the final act is when Mary and PJ are brought to the auction and we see more weirdos as they bid on the cursed couple (along with other unfortunate living products). The high bidders will take home their purchases and do with them what they will in secret and for as long as they like.
What's terrifying and (also depressing) about this scenario is that it has to compete with the audience's knowledge of reality, to some degree. In the past, a horror movie usually had some fantastic horror element that was firmly in the realm of make-believe: the Frankenstein Monster, a vampire, a wolfman, a creature that lived underwater and could walk on land, etc. But with films like  PSYCHO and THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, movie monsters started crossing into the demographic of... our own neighbors, people who look like you and I, but who harbor dark secrets. And now the horror films find "competition" with real life, like John Wayne Gacy who did charity work a clown but also lived a sinister secret life as a serial killer. Gacy is actually referred to in THE BAD MAN during a dinner conversation between Mary, PJ and Lawrence before the guest's true diabolical intentions are revealed. To refresh your memory, Gacy played "Pogo the Clown" at various charitable functions in a suburb of Chicago in the 70s, and, while doing that, he also had a surreptitious lifestyle where he sexually assaulted, tortured and killed at least 33 young men. Gacy also managed three KFC restaurants and was voted "outstanding vice-president" of the Waterloo (Illinois) Jaycees in 1967, the same year he committed his first sexual assault on a teenage boy. And this all actually happened.
Hell, even fictional zombies have to compete with real life.
That meta-discussion aside, THE BAD MAN does a nice job telling it's dark tale of two victims suddenly crossing paths with a sick side of society and how that particular society developed into a capitalist demographic. Writer/director Eli Roth's HOSTEL explores a similar idea, except in HOSTEL, the enterprise is kidnapping tourists and selling them to customers who want to kill and torture them in a safe environment. In THE BAD MAN, the customer is bidding on innocent people who have been programmed to be slaves to fulfill a specific sexual fetish. So, more of a specialty market in human trade. So, Schirmer's vision is either a pessimistic speculation of the world and where it can go, or THE BAD MAN is simply a glimpse 20 minutes into the future.

Ellie Church does a fine job here as the protagonist trying to survive her ordeal at the hands of Lawrence. Although she has her share of screaming and reacting in horror to the abuse her husband suffers and she herself has to endure, she also reveals a gentle, playful and loving dimension to her character when she's alone with PJ. Arthur Cullipher as Lawrence the Clown is a jarring combination of extremes: initially appearing as a kindly, arguably non-descript man with a kind face and polite and forgettably pleasant demeanor, he also reveals his believably disturbed and sadistic personality. Since Cullipher also directs and works SFX, I can't help but wonder what it's like working with him in real life on films when he's behind the scenes (cue nervous laughter).

The production values are quite good. It's sharply shot and I think what also enhances this independent film partially financed through Kickstarter are the props and production design that help depict this secret sinister world, like Lawrence's precise clown make-up, Mary dressed up as a doll, even the twisted scene when Lawrence wraps up part of Mary's body as a gift/punishment. The way her body is carefully packaged is a nice bizarre touch.
Also, as a product of a Kickstarter campaign, there were some cool extras that came with the limited edition Blu-ray I got (number 212 out of 450 copies):
The box's artwork features two designs: one cover's a photograph of Lawrence and the Doll, the other side is artwork which looks really great (I'll have to look up the artist);
One embroidered THE BAD MAN patch;
Six (6) autographed character cards;
A long sticker with individual photo portraits of the Doll, the Dog, the Clown and the Henchman;
Two (2), um, blank "product information" cards, one for a male, one for a female;
and
Two (2) wrapped lubricated latex condoms, each wrapper featuring a masked Dog logo saying, "Good Boys Wrap It Up!"
The Blu-ray package has 2 discs, one disc with the film, and the second has the 60 minute film, HOUSE OF HOPE, Scott Schirmer's first film PLUS 25 minutes of BONUS features.

A smartly designed little package!

If I have any criticism of the film, I think having the story bracketed by a television interview works against the telling of the story. Right from the start, this story is told in flashback as Mary tells what happened to her to a female TV reporter (who is unseen but we hear her asking questions). When I saw this as the set-up, I immediately wondered why do this? The implication is that whatever we're about to see from now on, we'll already know that Mary survives this, so it's kind of a spoiler. It removes a degree of tension, of suspense from the viewer right from the start. In fact, that idea is emphasized because the reporter describes Mary as a "survivor" as well. True, there are other elements to consider as the story continues, like what will happen to PJ, for instance. But still. And with this question of the narrative choice in my head already planted from the start, whenever we saw some of this interview throughout the film (it doesn't intrude often but it does come back) I felt none of it was necessary, it didn't really add to the story. But aside from this narrative decision, THE BAD MAN is an effective exploration into an unexpected, life-changing run-in with a practically invisible predatory element in our society.

Additional thoughts:
- THE CLOWN CONVERSATION AT DINNER: So, while they eat, Lawrence informs PJ and Mary that he also works as a clown. Mary confesses she's not a big fan of clowns and, to a certain degree, PJ agrees with her. So, there's a conversation where Lawrence is explaining the good he does as a clown and why he chose to do this and also the history of clowns before this bad rap became attached to clowns. And Mary and PJ keep coming up with examples, like Gacy, as to why they distrust clowns until Mary apologizes for being an "asshole." Of course, to be extremely simplistic and reductive, Mary's apology is sickeningly ironic: Lawrence will soon win the "asshole" title in spades. But, in hindsight, it's amusing that Lawrence's character seems to have compartmentalized his own behavior and attitudes so completely that he seems to be genuinely defensive during the conversation.
- SEXUAL ASSAULT AS PROGRAMMING: Okay, I confess. I took a peek at both Heather's and Dawn's reviews while I was still wrapping this review up. And Dawn understandably warns her readers about triggers for sexual assault as Lawrence's strategy to prepare Mary for what it will be like to be a living doll for a customer is essentially a regimen of varieties of rape. I understand this. She's going to be a sex slave, so she better get used to it. Although, really, I think Lawrence is just getting off on his own by doing this. Anyway, what I think is interesting is the idea of warning potential viewers of this story element, a practice that has grown over the past years. In movie ratings, for instance, it's stated if rape happens or is threatened in the film (along with drug use, etc.). I think this is a positive development. But, there's also another development over the years within the porn culture. Now, my knowledge of this is superficial, and I think I know just enough to get me into trouble, so my apologies if it turns out I'm over-simplifying the subject or even discussing it ignorantly. Anyway, I've heard that rape story-lines have been outlawed in porn films some years ago (I'm assuming after the 70s) and without researching it more, I wondered if there was some scandal where perhaps actual sexual assault was captured on camera and then sold as part of the film. In the era of so-called "roughies" I can imagine this scenario happening. But, now I see that there is a current porn genre where women (perhaps men, too) are subjected to gang assault and it's packaged like a rape fantasy for the actress. I have to confess to my personal shame and embarrassment that I've seen a few of these things, and I'm struck by not only the existence of this genre, but also the misogyny and barely restrained violence by the "assailants" toward the "victim" in some of these. And for the most part, the actresses seem to come out of it like they just accomplished some endurance test like a marathon or extreme rollercoaster. True, this is supposedly consensual and NOT everyone buys into this type of fantasy. I only bring it up because the subject matter of the film made me consider it. I guess my point is, the current culture in pornography now is such that you can be arguably be part of such a video and fairly easily, especially if you have a video camera and like-minded participants.  What THE BAD MAN suggests is, even the most extreme behavior of sexual violence between participants isn't enough for some and that's simply because it IS consensual. For the buyers/consumers of this film's world, gratification comes only when you can have your way with someone and they DON'T want you to. The customers Lawrence deals with need to TAKE their pleasure from their products. And [SPOILER ALERT!] even then, one customer's gratification needs involve sex AND murder. It's, like, there's no pleasing these people! Also, transgressive behavior is already creeping into mainstream narratives. THE BAD MAN is labeled more of a genre film, but ROOM (2015) with an Oscar-winning performance by Brie Larsen is a drama, that tells of a woman captured by someone and kept as a sex slave and who raises her son in that environment. Like, to a certain degree, this terrible type of narrative is no longer that out of the ordinary. Just like serial killers like Gacy are no longer unique. Just like shooting sprees not only continue, but they have also "spread" from the schools to public venues. Just like... whatever horrible thing there is out there, it EXISTS and believe me, it'll soon be on the news. Tonight. People SUCK.
[NOTE: By the way, even though I brought up the subject of porn, that's mostly me free-associating. I wouldn't at all describe the filmmakers' telling of THE BAD MAN as nearly pornographic at all versus, let's say, stretches of THE BUNNY GAME, for instance. In fact, THE BAD MAN is almost restrained in its storytelling. In fact, I'll go further and say that a few certain moments I thought it could have indulged a bit in a more exploitative approach, but just saying that seems contradictory or hypocritical regarding responsible storytelling. Still... I'm saying it!]
- LAWRENCE'S ATTITUDE TOWARD MARY [SPOILER ALERT!]: This was an interesting final twist. Lawrence actually reveals he had feelings for Mary and makes a last minute bid (literally) to convince her to see him as a possible companion. He even begs, saying he'll change for her! This is so sad and pathetic. And messed up! I don't have anything really insightful to say, except this seems like a believable turn of events. People are so complicated. It's typical for people to avoid relationships because they've been burned, in order to protect their feelings. But, that doesn't mean they don't still crave affection and the need to love someone. Of course, Lawrence's ability to love is questionable as it is, but his change of heart reveals, I think, that his lifestyle is a choice and therefore, he can always change his mind. People aren't just bad. The so-called "weirdoes" who bid on the products at the auction, I'm imagining not all of them live 24/7 in their strange disguises and outfits. I'm assuming some are like Lawrence, able to carry on some degree of normal behavior and interact with "normal" society, too, while till juggling the tasks required of the perverse and predatory. 
Even Charlie, the henchman. He had some change of heart, too, didn't he? Did he become attached to PJ? Or was he just upset that all their work was going to be blown away in an instant? Very curious.

Anyway, Scott Schirmer's THE BAD MAN is a fascinating film about a troubling subject matter. Well worth a look and, speaking personally, it was very cool that I was able to have helped bring this project to fruition, too. True, by only a very teensy contribution, but still..!
Check it out, ya weirdos! Also, check out what Mermaid Heather and Zombie Dawn had to say, too!

NOTE: Holy bonus material! In the past, in addition to Heather, Dawn and myself posting our respective reviews of whatever movie we chose to watch, we've also posted a conversation about the movie, just talking about what we liked, didn't like, or asking each other questions about what we thought in general about the movie. Well, we did it again for THE BAD MAN, but this time Heather also finagled some very special guests to join us! Writer/director Scott Schirmer and actress Ellie Church also participate in our conversation. Unbelievable! Check it out here!

Finally, if you want to check out my other reviews in the "Netflix Connection" series, just click on the links. And yes, I hope to finish the reviews to ALL the movies we've seen (stay tuned!)

#1. January - THE SILENCED
#2. February - THE BLACK ROOM
#3. March - THEY LOOK LIKE PEOPLE
#4. April - TRASH FIRE
#5. May - TAG
#6. June - DIG TWO GRAVES
July (My "bye" month) - HELL HOUSE, LLC (on Amazon Prime)
#7. August - BEYOND THE GATES


*Or TERRIFIER (2016), for that matter!

Updated and amended December 13, 2018. Link to THE BAD MAN conversation added  Dec. 22.

Trust Roulette: THEY LOOK LIKE PEOPLE (2015) – The Netflix Connection #3

March 11-12

And… we’re back.

So another month (in spirit, if not actual calendar days) has passed and it’s time for me to do another movie off Netflix with horror movie bloggers Mermaid Heather and Zombie Dawn. The previous two films were THE SILENCED and THE BLACK ROOM. This time Dawn chose our film and we watched THEY LOOK LIKE PEOPLE, a simple and direct enough title that I seemed hell-bent on saying wrong all the time. I kept calling it (the godawful stupid title of) THEY LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY. Why can’t I find this movie? Gee, uh, wrong title, jerk! Duh!

But I briefly digress…*

Anyway, for those latecomers to this monthly Netflix Connection “Movie Club” (of which there are only three members), Mermaid Heather, Zombie Dawn and myself pick a horror film off of Netflix and watch it, post a review of said fear flick, and also have a SPOILER-HEAVY chat about it. The chats themselves are separate posts from the actual reviews.

And now, ladies and gentlemen (if you ARE ladies and gentlemen…), let us take a paranoid descent into the film that is…

THEY LOOK LIKE PEOPLE (2015, written and directed by Perry Blackshear, with MacLeod Andrews, Evan Dumouchel and Margaret Ying Drake)

A young man named Wyatt unexpectedly discovers to his horror that something is taking over us, slowly, mysteriously, but inexorably. Like INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, some people are no longer what they appear to be. This fact is confirmed when he receives calls from a somewhat omniscient source informing him that people are indeed turning into evil creatures and that Wyatt needs to prepare for the impending war against them. As he readies himself for this apocalypse, he goes to visit a close friend from years ago named Christian for assistance, maybe....

Christian is a young man who is focused on being an impact person, on “dominating” in life, especially at work. Wisely or not, he’s also been focused for some time on getting a date with his boss, Mara. On the day he’s finally going out with her, Wyatt comes into his life again.

These are the two disparate storylines that the film starts with, and it’s fascinating and compelling to see how the story progresses as the dynamics of each premise is complicated by the unrelated but still intrusive issues of the other premise.

I liked this deceptively simple film a lot, with a large part of its appeal being its simplicity. It’s all about the story and the characters plus constantly thinking and anticipating the ramifications of the situations we’re presented. Although the film has some neat CGI to pull off some effects, those moments are really minor (including the scope of the effects). The main attraction is the basic idea of Wyatt’s paranoia as it simmers slowly to a boil with his preparation for a terrible war against opponents he may not be able to discern, but also, is his paranoia mental illness or well-founded?

The relationship between Wyatt (MacLeod Andrews) and Christian (Evan Dumouchel) is fascinating to watch as each friend juggles his own personal agenda but also the contrasting needs of the friend. Also, the addition of Mara (Margaret Ying Drake) into the mix as an “outsider” to this friendship was a great new element to the story with regard to both of the friends, especially the uncertainty of her, for lack of a better word, because she was new. The questions of trust and friendship for Christian that come when you are starting a more intimate relationship with someone, especially your boss, were an interesting parallel to Wyatt’s efforts to secretly prepare for his fight against the invading creatures, but also Wyatt’s second-guessing if what he’s fearing is real or all in his head. That was the main attraction to me of the film, the human component.

All three actors offer solid and engaging performances.

Writer/director Perry Blackshear also did the cinematography, editing and sound design. There’s an informative interview with Blackshear about the film and I enjoyed and appreciated learning more about his background with the actors, how the story came to be and what amount of research he did regarding mental health issues. Blackshear is to be commended for fashioning a smart, thoughtful and effective thriller and also doing a lot of the creative work for the film.

The writing is a great steady accumulation of details: Wyatt’s uncertain, but sincere and lonely efforts to prepare for the horrors and uncertainties of war – hiding a knife in the house, learning what sulfuric acid does to meat; Wyatt and Christian rediscovering their past friendship after years apart – Blobby Wars!; Christians’ transparent but equally sincere efforts to be a strong and “dominating" person, while also being a good friend; an awful moment when Christian learns what other people have been thinking about him all along, which seems a perfect counterpart to Wyatt’s paranoia; finally, the tension of the last scene and the risky decisions both friends make and you wonder: what would I do in that situation?

The limited CGI is probably due to economics, but it’s also an example of less is more. The first times we see something strange is going on, it’s like we peeked in on a secret and now our world has changed because we’ve seen it. That was great.

As a film recommendation, I would say it depends on what you’re in the mood for. If you’re looking for straight up horror and to be scared, THEY LOOK LIKE PEOPLE may be too subtle for you. If you’re used to independent dramas, this film’s creepiness and implications might really get under your skin and be a great, thoughtful thriller. There are moments of effective suspense and I think the film does a great job of making you empathize with all three character’s situations. I found myself considering what I would do in their shoes at various times in the movie. The ending of the film also resonates one way or the other, I think, depending on what kind of genre film you’re looking for. Depending on what kind of film you were expecting, the ending succeeds in varying degrees. Again, depending on whether you’re looking for straight up horror or something more thoughtful, I think your level of satisfaction will be affected. Paradoxically, I liked the ending, but I didn’t find it immediately satisfying emotionally, but I liked the philosophical choice.

Overall I really liked the film, and I plan to re-watch it again, soon.

Having said that, I will say you have to allow for a couple flaws:

First, an unanswered question: how much can you believe what Wyatt said about the resolution he had with a visit to Mara?

Second, a bit of a convenient plot omission: At one point, I think examining Wyatt’s phone for incoming calls may have drastically affected the outcome of this film, one way or another.

On a side note, this film draws some similarities to THE BABADOOK, another excellent film that is perhaps more in the realm of horror in its particular telling, but reminiscent due to how it juggles themes of horrific reality vs. mental instability and how it keeps the audience off-balance as it debates which is which.

Meanwhile, check out what Mermaid Heather and Zombie Dawn thought of the film.
And yeah, I’m looking forward to my chat with Heather and Dawn, hahaha!

* #OccupationalHazardsOfMovieReviewing #OccupationalHazardsOfBeingAStupidHead

Sittin’ ‘round talkin’ ‘bout THE BLACK ROOM:*

 *DISCLAIMER: We (Mermaid Heather, Zombie Dawn and myself) may be sittin’ ‘round talkin’ but, thanks to the magic of the internet we’re NOT in the same room. Also, my apologies for blatant Apostrophe Abuse Syndrome (AAS) here. 

This conversation was cut and pasted from a Facebook message conversation, and additionally edited by me, Terry Kimmel aka Cattleworks.

Also, you can read Mermaid Heather’s, Zombie Dawn’s and my own review for THE BLACK ROOM at the links.

NOTE: When we had this conversation, I still hadn’t posted my review for THE BLACK ROOM and hadn’t read ZOMBIE DAWN’s review.

Also, WARNING: This conversation about the movie does CONTAIN SPOILERS! So, read at your own peril if you haven’t seen the film yet!

Enjoy!

ZOMBIE DAWN: We have all arrived for the powwow.

MERMAID HEATHER: Yay!

ZOMBIE DAWN: 5 minutes into that movie, I wasn’t sure if I could do it.

MERMAID HEATHER: Why would that be, Dawn?

CATTLEWORKS: Oh, dear! Sorry, Dawn! (considering I picked the movie)

ZOMBIE DAWN: Oh, the acting first off kinda put me off, then like I said in my review, I kinda fell in love with it for just that reason!

The credits totally reminded me of that old show Amazing Stories. Do you guys remember that show?

CATTLEWORKS: Oh, I wasn’t thinking of that, but now that you mention it, yes, I see the similarity.

MERMAID HEATHER: I didn't watch it much, but yes I remember it.

ZOMBIE DAWN: And the guy that who played Paul (Lukas Hassel). Loved his acting. It was a lot of fun.

MERMAID HEATHER: I agree with you there, Dawn, he was my favorite of the bunch.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Hahaha!! That scene!! With Karen in the bedroom and him trying to seduce her!!

Tell me that wouldn’t have gone differently, hahaha!!

She seemed like “yeah, whatever”.... whaaaaaat?!

CATTLEWORKS: I’ll be honest, I was on the fence and I was curious what Heather thought about the film, so I took a quick peek at her review. I was just curious what you thought, Heather, because I know you like (writer/director) Rolfe Kanefsky.

But I was kind of thumbs down.

ZOMBIE DAWN: I can totally see that.

But I also like films like BAD TASTE.

CATTLEWORKS: The film was very inconsistent for me and the things that bugged me kind of got the better of me.

Well, I feel I’m inconsistent as a reviewer as well, so I’m really self-conscious when I get critical. But a few little things kept happening at the beginning, and so the film was sort of trying to get out of the hole it dug, for me, anyway.

ZOMBIE DAWN: I hear ya!

MERMAID HEATHER: I was in the middle for the most part. I can see why people don't like the film, but it isn't that far off from Kanefsky's other films, so I guess I was more forgiving.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Hahaha, yeah I wrote and then deleted a lot of stuff that I thought was too critical.

I have a lot of respect for filmmakers and the work that goes into the craft.

I’ll have to look at your review again for those titles, Heather.

CATTLEWORKS: But I liked Lukas Hassel as Paul, too.

ZOMBIE DAWN: And the guy in the beginning... plumber? HVAC guy? Would he really be so bold?

CATTLEWORKS: I think you mean the furnace guy. The plumber guy is the one who gets decapitated.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Hahaha!!! I met the plumber guy (James Duval)!!! He’s super nice!!

At a con, of course.

MERMAID HEATHER: At one of your conventions?

ZOMBIE DAWN: Yeah, I think it was Crypticon. Maybe 4-5 years back.

MERMAID HEATHER: I hope you get to meet him again, loved that death scene.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Yeah!!! I totally didn’t expect that, haha!!

CATTLEWORKS: Yeah, Robert Donovan who played the furnace dude, he was interesting because I think when he was coming on to Jennifer, I think that was meant as comedy, but it came across more genuinely creepy. I actually thought the actor was good, but the tone was more serious than you would expect.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Agreed, Terry.

How about the end scene?

Did you guys call it?

CATTLEWORKS: Wait, which end scene? The very end with Paul and Jennifer in bed?

ZOMBIE DAWN: Haha, yeah Terry.

I was like “ohhhhh, here comes the evil eyes,” hahaha!

MERMAID HEATHER: There was an end scene after the credits, too.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Oh shit! Really?

Dang!!!

I’ll have to watch and amend my review then!

MERMAID HEATHER: I was a little surprised by the scene you were talking about, but it didn't feel like a big shock.

ZOMBIE DAWN: I totally called it, based on the movie as a whole.

CATTLEWORKS: I thought that was a good way to end it. A pseudo-YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN reference (not really) re: Paul’s “equipment” and then Jennifer’s look to the camera, which was great.

MERMAID HEATHER: The after credits scene is just Tiffany Shepis (who played the realtor) giving her speech to a new owner.

It wasn't much really.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Ahhhh.... but would that work? With the incubus inside of Jennifer now?

I’d think the house would just be a house again.

MERMAID HEATHER: Well, there is the gateway there so maybe it would still want to use the house.

ZOMBIE DAWN: True that. All the sigils and whatnot are there...

CATTLEWORKS: Yeah, that ending with Tiffany Shepis talking to the next buyers’ of the house does seem to possibly contradict the ending with Jennifer now being possessed.

Maybe they couldn’t make up their mind which ending worked best and decided to put them both in.

Based on your review, Heather, it seems people have been turned off by the sexual aspects of the film?

MERMAID HEATHER: It would seem so, Terry. Lot of reviews put down the soft porn aspect of it.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Honestly, I went in blind.

I had no idea it was an incubus.

Some of it was predictable, but some of it was WTF?

Just thought of that restaurant scene. Paul was on a roll there. I don’t think there was a woman safe from his influence...

But... boobs on the back? Oh jeez!

CATTLEWORKS: Hahaha! Yeah!

MERMAID HEATHER: I had to roll my eyes at that. It was kind of left hanging out there as well.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Hahahaha!!!

MERMAID HEATHER: Although, she did say she wanted her boobs back.

ZOMBIE DAWN: OMG, you’re right!!!

Hahahaha!!!

CATTLEWORKS: Hahaha! I’ve only seen Kanefsky’s THE HAZING a few years ago, so I chalk that up to Kanefsky’s sense of humor.

ZOMBIE DAWN: What was the line that made you laugh from Lin Shaye, Heather?

MERMAID HEATHER: Just the way she told her granddaughter to put some clothes back on.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Hahaha!!

MERMAID HEATHER: With that opening scene, Terry, I was wondering if you were trying to turn us on so we would talk dirty to you during this conversation, lol.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Bwahahaha!!!!!

CATTLEWORKS: Actually, I was feeling very self-conscious and I imagined you guys in the same room watching the film with me—not in a comfortable way, he said blushing.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Lol, Terry!!

Oh, and I totally had that thought, too, Heather! About THE ENTITY. Like you mentioned in your review.

(Re: the ending) After Lin Shaye’s character helped Jennifer there in the end, I was rolling!

She looked like she was totally at home, just chillin’ and not in an embryonic sac having the life leeched from her!

CATTLEWORKS: Haha! I thought Jennifer biting that umbilical cord was pretty funny.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Oh my god, I loved it!!!

MERMAID HEATHER: I hope she doesn't bite while doing something else.

CATTLEWORKS: Heather: Oh, dear.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Hahahaha Heather!!!!

And when she’s pushing that umbilical back in?!? Her line “sometimes you have to. PUSH. HARD.”

I was like “ok, I just can’t even with that.”

Hahahaha!!

CATTLEWORKS: Yeah, it took me a minute to figure out what exactly she was doing—it turned out to be a “vacuum thing”.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Ahhh, hahaa!!

CATTLEWORKS: I thought Lukas Hassel was great and I liked Natasha Henstridge as well.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Oh yeah, and I agree with Heather. (Natasha Henstridge’s) acting has improved.

Duty calls. Time to pick the girl child up from work.

Thanks for including me, guys!

CATTLEWORKS: I’ll definitely finish and post my review tonight.

ZOMBIE DAWN: Can’t wait to see it!

CATTLEWORKS: I’m glad you can participate. I look forward to reading your review.

MERMAID HEATHER: Glad that you could join us!

ZOMBIE DAWN: Thank you!

(Zombie Dawn leaves conversation)

CATTLEWORKS: Do you have to head out as well, Heather?

MERMAID HEATHER: I can stay longer if you wish.

CATTLEWORKS: Cool.

While working on my review earlier today, I was re-watching parts of the film. Part of me was wondering if I was just being grumpy or tired or just out of it when I first watched it, and that’s why I didn’t like it as much as I did, but I was still distracted by the same bits when I re-watched it. Having said that, the parts I liked, I also still liked. So, I think the film is genuinely a mixed bag, and on top of it is the sexual aspect of the film. Which I had no problem with. Except for my aforementioned self-consciousness…

MERMAID HEATHER: lol You know I would have to give you a hard time if we were watching it in the same room.

CATTLEWORKS: OMG, considering the context of this conversation, that doesn’t sound right, hahaha!

I didn’t realize Kanefsky did the EMMANUELLE films that were on Skinamax, although doing an IMDb search on Robert Donovan, I see he was also in those. I’ve seen some of those films in part, which explains why he looked familiar to me. Mostly, I was struck by Donovan’s voice. I thought he had a cool voice.

MERMAID HEATHER: What bugged you the most about the movie?

CATTLEWORKS: You know, it was really small, specific things, and I felt like a jerk even talking about them in my review.

Weird shit. Trivial shit, but I found it distracting enough that it bugged me.

Or, I should say, it took me out of the film. Like, when the grandmother is arguing with the demon at the beginning, the film cuts back and forth between that argument and also the demon preying on the granddaughter. I found that confusing.

MERMAID HEATHER: I get you. As I said, it wasn't the soft porn part of the story that made me like this movie less, but smaller things as well. Mostly it had to do with the story.

If it was sexual energy the demon wanted/needed...why kill nearly everyone to get it? I'm pretty sure a dead body isn't thinking sexual thoughts anymore.

CATTLEWORKS: Yeah, that’s inconsistent, too.

When the furnace man is sort of fondling Jennifer at the washer, I get the idea but it was also strange how they were getting that idea across, too. Like, I thought it worked, but not really. I get what they were doing, but for some reason I was getting hung up on how they were showing it. So, I more or less was biding my time watching this sequence.

And a lot of things were kind of technical, I guess.

Like, for instance, when the furnace man is being dragged backwards in the doorway, and his one hand is being caught in the door (and the door is closing on his fingers) and he’s screaming. Part of me is thinking, okay, I see what’s going on, yes, that would be painful. But, part of me was also wondering why I was kind of detached, like, I was registering all this intellectually, rather than being emotionally moved. Because that’s a horrible thing having a door closing on your fingers like that! That should be a really squeamish moment for the audience, seeing that and imagining how that would feel. I think (we, the audience, don’t feel that) because you don’t really see the edge of the door closing on the guy’s fingers. And I was still thinking about that scene today (I re-watched that scene last night) and I’m wondering why they shot it that way. Of course, this is a very subjective question. Most people would think there wasn’t a problem in the first place! But, I have a possible reason why it was shot the way it was. They had to rig the door in such a way that they could close it and also have the actor’s fingers in the way. So, I’m assuming they widened the gap between the door and where it’s hinged to the frame. If you shoot it from the angle they shot it at, it looks like the door is closing in on the man’s fingers. But if you shoot it where it would look the most painful, with the door pressing on the fingers as it’s trying to close, they can’t because the gap is wider now so you’ll see that the door isn’t even touching his fingers now (I’m assuming). Does that make sense? Yeah, stupid shit like this is what grips my thoughts!

OMG, this is as interesting as, well, like trying to explain a joke! Sorry sorry sorry!

MERMAID HEATHER: You are fine. I get what you are saying about it and I agree.

CATTLEWORKS: It was cool seeing Dominique Swain in the film. It’s been so long since I’ve seen her in a film, I couldn’t figure out why the actress looked familiar, hahaha!

Although, I had issues with Stacy (Dominique Swain’s character) thinking that her husband, Howard (Caleb Scott) ate too much, because he really didn’t look that fat, and that distracted me, too.

MERMAID HEATHER: I know but everyone has their idea of how fat someone should or shouldn't be.

CATTLEWORKS: Yes, but for me, him not being obviously overweight to some degree sort of complicated the joke, tho’ you can also interpret it that Stacy just has hang-ups. Having said that, the idea of her being sexually repressed works when Paul says that to her when he’s sucking her sexual energy out.

You know, re-watching the parts made me also enjoy the parts I did like.

MERMAID HEATHER: I watched it Friday night after work so I was feeling tired when I started it. At times I would perk up and get into the movie and there were times when I started feeling very tired again.

CATTLEWORKS: I was shocked when Paul kills Karen during sex! I was like, really!? She seemed like a strong character. Of course, I didn’t expect to see her again, but then she does re-appear in a significant way.

MERMAID HEATHER: Having the dead help the demon was kind of an odd choice to me.

I could see them getting possessed and helping.

CATTLEWORKS: Yeah, I think there were some plot choices that made no logical sense but seemed like a cool thing to do in a genre film.

It was weird. I think I’m usually a much more forgiving audience for a film, especially a genre film, but I guess I also become fixated on things almost arbitrarily.

MERMAID HEATHER: I liked Karen. Her line after seeing Paul naked cracked me up.

CATTLEWORKS: Yeah! Her makeup seemed a bit over the top, but I think that was for comic effect.

MERMAID HEATHER: At first I thought she was just that pale, but in close-ups you can see the makeup. She looked a lot better once they no longer did that.

CATTLEWORKS: I felt there was genuine tension in the first conversation between Paul, Jennifer and Karen. I thought Karen was a real horrible person for no reason, and her explanation after the fact when she’s alone with Jennifer seemed a little too late. I had to warm up to her, although when Paul’s possessed and eyeing all the waitresses blatantly, Karen’s reactions seemed more understandable.

The flashback to the party in the basement in the 70s was fun for nostalgic reasons, although the outrageousness of complete strangers coming to a party and having this demonic ceremony out of the blue is absurd, but I think that’s for comic effect, too. Sort of like, “of course, strangers would do this, it’s a horror movie!”

Although, I’m also thinking, you tell the woman to stay in the circle AFTER she runs out? D’oh!

Is that whole Spirit Board reference an INSIDIOUS in-joke? I’ve never seen the movies, but after the fact, I was wondering.

MERMAID HEATHER: I don't recall there being one in that movie, but it has been a long time since I watched it.

CATTLEWORKS: I only wondered because I only know of Ouija boards and so I wondered what the hell a Spirit Board was. It also seemed to be out of the blue since it never really affects the plot at all.

Yeah, I was going back and forth between picking THE BLACK ROOM and DON”T KILL IT. Mike Mendez directed DON’T KILL IT, but then I wasn’t sure how much of a horror film it was. But, considering you like Rolfe, I went the Kanefsky way.

MERMAID HEATHER: You didn't have to but I'm glad that you did. May have taken me longer to have gotten around to it otherwise.

CATTLEWORKS: The one interesting thing about this movie, I think, is contemplating how sexual subject matter is perceived in film now, especially with the recent #MeToo movement. I don’t mean to be political, but I think it’s a sign of the changing cultural landscape in terms of how much subject matter is responded to now.

Nudity was a sort of given decades ago when Roger Corman was regularly producing drive-in fare. Nudity and violence were simply exploitable plot elements.

I was thinking about this as I was writing my review especially when I was talking about the granddaughter being visited by the demon in the prologue.

MERMAID HEATHER: True. I think in some ways the movement has been taken too far, but that is a different conversation.

I have never been much of a fan of a horror/soft porn cross, but I have nothing against anyone that does enjoy it. Going into this film, and realizing quickly where it was somewhat going, I wasn't sure how much I would like it.

CATTLEWORKS: Yes, that is a different conversation. But, mores have genuinely changed, too. I started to write in my review that the demon “seduces” the young woman as she sleeps, but that’s a euphemism. He’s actually assaulting her. But she doesn’t realize it, because she’s enjoying it, and it’s implied that she thinks she’s enjoying an erotic dream. From a male perspective, it’s enjoyable to watch because it’s a naked attractive woman enjoying sexual pleasure, so the voyeuristic button is being pushed.

The scene where Paul (possessed by the incubus) attacks Karen works with a sort of mainstream horror audience, too, I think, because they’re pushing the monster aspect more. If it was straight-up assault, it would have changed the tenor of the film entirely, I think, and for the worse. Although, you pointed out that there apparently is some criticism of the porn element, anyways. Although, it shows how jaded I am, because the porn aspect didn’t seem that pornographic, haha!

MERMAID HEATHER: No, it didn't. The opening scene borders on it, but as Dawn pointed out, it reminded us both a lot of THE ENTITY so maybe that is what Kanefsky was nodding at for that scene.

CATTLEWORKS: I thought the special effects for that scene were pretty impressive.

MERMAID HEATHER: Was it the effects you were truly impressed by? lol

CATTLEWORKS: Yes, your honor!

Impressive because they seemed believable.

So, I have to track down Kanefsky’s first film now, THERE’S NOTHING OUT THERE.

And I’ve never seen NIGHTMARE MAN.

MERMAID HEATHER: What is taking so long?

CATTLEWORKS: Look who you’re talking to!

What else have you seen by him? We both saw THE HAZING. Have you seen anything else?

MERMAID HEATHER: Just NIGHTMARE MAN and now this movie as far as I can tell.

CATTLEWORKS: Okay.

Well, anything else you wanna say or discuss about THE BLACK ROOM?

MERMAID HEATHER: Just one other thing. While I was confused about the feeding, I was pretty impressed by the set they came up with for that.

CATTLEWORKS: Yeah, it was very imaginative. In a completely different way, I also thought the flashback party scene was fun and imaginative, too. I also thought Karen’s make-up was great when she was killed. I thought Dawn Black (the granddaughter character)’s burn makeup on her face was alright, though. I felt it should’ve been worse. Or, at least, her hair should’ve been shorter or completely gone (although, granted, we see her two years after the furnace incident). Man, I was just a difficult audience throughout this film, haha!

Also, I didn’t realize that “incubus” and “succubus” were gender-related terms. The first is a male demon, the second female.

MERMAID HEATHER: How long have you been a horror fan again? lol

CATTLEWORKS: Maybe too long! Maybe I knew it and forgot it!

MERMAID HEATHER: Sounds like a good excuse to me, lol

CATTLEWORKS: Well, I guess we’re done then for tonight?

MERMAID HEATHER: I guess so. It was fun talking to you and Dawn about this movie. I'm looking forward to the next one.  :)

CATTLEWORKS: Hey, we did two of these things! That’s some crazy-ass crazy-assery!

Thanks for talking a little longer!

MERMAID HEATHER: No problem. Talk to you again soon.

CATTLEWORKS:  :)

There ya go! My apologies to Mermaid Heather and Zombie Dawn for taking so damn long to post this! My editing process wasn’t the most practical.

Meanwhile, the reviews for our next "Netflix connection” movie should be posted March 11. Zombie Dawn’s pick for our next film is: THEY LOOK LIKE PEOPLE (2015), written and directed by Perry Blackshear.

PS. Okay, I’ve tried a couple times to change the font-size on this post (going from “large" to “normal"), and each time I think I’ve done it, but when I look at the actual blog page, it hasn’t changed. Not at all! Also, the smiley face emoji, “  :)  ”  that I end the chat with, comes out as two different symbols. One looks like a computer monitor (?!) and something else... a phone? 
What the heck!

Unless it actually goes through THIS time...

#FeelinLessThanCompetentBlogwiseDammit